The Five Stages of COVID Vaccine Compliance/Coercion Explained: A Dialogue

Lost Generation Philosopher: You’re written about the five stages of vaccine compliance / coercion. 

Steven Yates: Yes, in a couple of articles. The idea’s sharpened up a little since those. Current events have helped, to say the least.  

LGP: Why five stages? Any relation to Dmitry Orlov’s Five Stages of Collapse?

SY:    No. That’s just how they broke down conceptually. We haven’t seen all five. We may not, if those in power get what they want with less. Three might turn out to be sufficient.  

LGP: Those in power?

SY:    Yes. Call me crazy if you want, but I think we’re being gullible and naïve if we think that what’s happened — or been done to us — over these past 18 months is nothing more than an unlucky accident.

LGP: We’ll see. Can you get into what these five stages are?

SY:    Sure. Stage 1 began last December when the experimental mRNA vaccines for Covid-19(84) were first announced. By January the world’s masses were practically lining up to get them. They’d been subjected to ten months of 24/7 scaremongering by the mainstream media, after all, with proposed treatments involving hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin demonized in the same media, their histories of safety erased, dropped down the infamous memory hole. “Experts” — career federal bureaucrats like Fauci — told us that a vaccine was the only way back to “normal.” Never mind that it generally takes four to five years to properly vet a new vaccine for both effectiveness and safety, that went down the memory hole, too, not to mention something employing a fundamentally new technology never before used in a vaccine. The “experts” downplayed that this was an experiment, and that the FDA had not given official approval but emergency use authorization. All that said, Stage 1 was people lining up to get jabbed not just voluntarily but enthusiastically. And being celebrated for it. There was no “getting back to normal,” but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

LGP: What’s Stage 2, then?

SY:    Stage 2 came about because a few people were asking the questions just implied. We’re not supposed to ask questions anymore. My generation grew up questioning authority — the oldest of us got sent to Vietnam after all, a lot of times against our will, and that turned out to be based on a lie, an incident that it turned out never happened (a Viet Cong Gulf of Tonkin attack). The youngest of us, born in the late 1950s or very early 1960s, were Watergate teenagers who also lived through the so-called energy crisis. So we saw benefits of asking questions instead of taking for granted that those with money and power had our best interests at heart.

But as we said back in the 1980s, that was then, this is now.

At Stage 2, incentives were used on the mildly “hesitant”: the carrot. Lotteries with cash giveaways, bonuses from employers, other free stuff — and opportunities to virtue-signal! This worked for a significant fraction of people able to be incentivized this way. Some got the shots and, lo and behold, they got sick anyway. These were labeled “breakthrough cases,” and we were fed the mantra by the mainstream press that “no vaccine is one hundred percent effective.” Then, variants such as the infamous “delta variant” appeared, and whether the vaccine offered protection from those was anyone’s guess. There was no getting back to normal, though, as people kept getting sick in waves. Some more than just that. They were “fully vaccinated” — and severely injured: with heart problems, severe tinnitus, paralysis! These were healthy people before! Their families discovered — surprise, surprise! — no decision-makers were interested. We weren’t supposed to hear about the growing numbers of injuries and deaths, which were exceeding those of all previous vaccines put together. That was all “vaccine misinformation.” Despite mass media and Establishment silent treatment, word kept leaking out. Many of those who had previously been merely “hesitant” started to say, “Damn it, no!” That’s how we got to Stage 3.   

At Stage 3, when the carrot no longer entices, the stick comes out. At Stage 3, refusal comes with a price. Initially, the price was criticism, accusations that you’re spreading the coronavirus and worsening the pandemic. People started being kicked off social media sites for saying anything that countered the approved narrative, which was that the vaccines had been proven safe and effective. Gradually, the price of refusal rose, especially as summer rolled around. Students were told they’d not be able to reenroll for classes at their universities in the fall if they didn’t get their shots. Others were told they’d be excluded from public spaces: restaurants, planes, concerts. Eventually we were looking at job loss. This aggravated the divisions that already existed not just in the U.S. but across the world, all of which I believe stem from one basic division: between people with a psychological need to control others or who identify with such people, versus the rest of us who just want to be left the hell alone.

LGP: But … public health, and “the greater good,” you know?

SY:    If those are more than buzzwords now. Is something really a “greater good” if it has to be imposed on populations by force? That’s what was happening, with rolling lockdowns destroying hundreds of thousands of businesses everywhere. Lockdown isn’t a medical term, it’s a penal system term. Down the memory hole, although people in some places were getting it. Vaccine passport implementation began amidst these rolling lockdowns despite mass protests in some parts of the world from those who didn’t want it. We heard about community-organizer types prepared to start going door-to-door with the approved narrative to administer shots with the backing of the Bidenista regime that “saved democracy” by militarizing Washington with tens of thousands of federal troops. I’m not sure where that door-to-door stuff stands. Maybe they were worried about all the guns out there in the hinterlands, when those who want to be left the hell alone are willing to back it up with deadly force if that’s what it takes.

In any event, mass media went to work. The unvaccinated faced fact-free accusations of spreading the virus. They and their spokespersons were labeled “conspiracy theorists” (always effective!), called names like “Covidiots,” “anti-vaxx nuts,” the “Disinformation Dozen,” and so on. We now have a “pandemic of the unvaccinated.” And “if you’re choosing not to be vaccinated you’re part of the problem.Anger against the unvaccinated is being fomented. They are being targeted not just by Democrats but mainstream Republicans.

The problem, though, is mounting evidence that the vaccine, not Covid, is what is making people sick and sometimes killing them. Behind this claim is the idea that what the mass inoculation program has done is create an environment that encourages the coronavirus to mutate. Viruses mutate. You don’t need a PhD in epidemiology or virology to know that. It’s common knowledge. But this kind of conversation, too, is off the table — for again, in the memory-hole world of the “fact-checkers” the jab is “tested, safe, and effective.”

Despite mounting authoritarian commands from employers and government and worsening travel restrictions, we’re still technically in Stage 3. There’s a conceptual issue here. The difference between Stage 3 and Stage 4 is blurry, just like the distinction between governmental power versus employer and corporate power. Which is greater? Libertarians and voluntarist types will tell you government power is greater because governments have guns pointed at your heads. Frankly, I find this idea rather mysterious. Corporations have the power of the purse that buys the guns and orders where they be pointed. They don’t hesitate to use this power when their interests are challenged. Libertarians and voluntarists, so called, don’t seem to have problems with corporate power and tell you, you can always leave your job or let yourself be fired for not getting a shot, so no one has a gun to your head. But what happens when all employers are enacting policies you find reprehensible, so that if you reject them you can’t work — not for an employer, anyway? Yeah, you can start your own business, but that’s not something you can do overnight. Most businesses started on shoestring budgets by people who don’t know what they’re doing fail in a very short period of time. The question then is, how long can you go without money to buy food, keep the lights on, etc.? That’s the punishing threat of Stage 3: impoverishment. And that’s where this is heading, creating a population of new “untouchables” who can’t work, something clearly possible without guns coming out. If it works, Stage 4 might not even be necessary.

LGP:  Is it working?

SY:    That seems to depend on who you ask. A lot of skeptical have gotten the jabs so they could keep their jobs. The Stage 3 stick now includes not just increasing restrictions on movement for the unvaccinated but higher insurance rates (Delta Airlines is going to charge is unvaccinated employees an extra monthly $200!) and/or requirements to get weekly or even daily tests such as Apple has started requiring. These extra expenses and nuisance harassments are meant to break the wills of the recalcitrant. Again, never ask questions, or go up against authority! There are threats by some doctors who accept the narrative to refuse medical care to the unvaccinated. Can’t afford higher insurance rates, or spare the time to get tested constantly? Get jabbed! Most do! The point of systemic coercion is to get you to do what those in power want you to do without having a gun at your head. It works on the majority.  

LGP: Systemic coercion?

SY:    Nudges, pressures that are gradually ratcheted up. Coercion by encirclement, entanglements of requirements and/or restrictions — arrangements designed to inconvenience you, reduce your options, make living a normal life harder … until you give in. All the while those behind the inconveniences are cynically telling you, “you’re doing this to yourself, your own choices are causing you grief.”

LGP: Will the Biden administration take us to Stage 4?

SY:    The Bidenistas (“Joe Biden” is little more than a puppet). They haven’t yet, whatever the call this past September for all employers with more than 100 employees to force them to get jabbed or be tested weekly. That command, straight from the White House, is the cause of a lot of the pushback from the state level. Just one day after Biden’s infamous order, which hasn’t even been signed, sealed and delivered yet, a number of state governors released a statement criticizing its overreach: Arizona, Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, and Wyoming. Federal judges are issuing injunctions, such as the one against United Airlines which was ordering its 67,000 U.S. employees to get vaccinated or be fired. Some are organizing on their own and saying “No!” Seattle, for example, is faced with losing something like 40 percent of its police force, something that place with its lawless street leftists can’t afford to let happen. Other police in other cities are also talking about walking off their jobs. Chicago is another case. They’ve figured out at some level that if they act together as a critical mass, they can monkeywrench the system! I don’t think they want to harm their own organizations, but a lot of people are very worried about the long-term health effects of these injections, so that if that’s what it takes to get the point across, then so be it. People are walking away from their jobs in unprecedented numbers: police officers, airline employees, dockworkers, even nurses and other health care workers. We’re talking tens of thousands of people, enough to cause significant disruptions! These last in particular are interesting, because health care workers have been on the front lines of this whole thing from the start. They have to know, based on first-hand experience, that a lot of so-called covid deaths were caused by putting patients on ventilators. They then died, and ventilator deaths were then classified as covid deaths. The number of covid deaths in America is greatly exaggerated, because no one whose voice carries weight in these Orwellian times is noting how many covid patients were put on ventilators and then died, or just making the distinction between people dying from covid and those dying with covid and some comorbidity that compromised their immune system. We’re not supposed to say any of this, of course. It’s “misinformation.” But a few employers — Southwest Airlines is an example — have gotten the message loud and clear, and are backing down.

LGP:  It’s a side issue, but couldn’t you say that if there are a lot of deaths from covid in combination with something else such as diabetes or something else that compromises a person’s immune system, it’s an indictment of the health care system in the U.S. that there are so many such people?

SY:    You could say that. It’s an indictment of a system run for profit instead of healing. As a former Libertarian I’ve had to unlearn a lot. I recognize now, we don’t really have a health care system in the U.S. We have a sick care system. Sickness makes money and health doesn’t. A healthy population doesn’t need as many doctors, hospitals, medical research, pharmaceuticals, health insurance policies, etc. Once, long ago, doctors treated acute conditions. If they didn’t, the patient died, and it was on their heads. But then, especially with the arrival of unhealthy but also immensely profitable processed foods, we started managing chronic conditions for profit, using invasive procedures and legal drugs which made the multibillion dollar pharmaceutical industry richer. We don’t call the latter Big Pharma for no reason at all. Drugs can be patented, after all; natural remedies can’t, and so were labeled “quackery” even if used effectively for thousands of years.

How did this start? Arguably, when the Rockefellers hijacked modern medicine, just one profession to fall under power elite control. Long story, but a perfect illustration of how money power trumps government guns, every time. For decades now the pharmaceuticals giants have had de facto control over nearly all medicine and medical education. They control the AMA, and through that, the medical profession, from hospitals on down to your neighborhood clinic whose doctors have to have medical licenses to practice, after all. Go see a doctor for something, and nine times out of ten you’ll walk out with a prescription for some drug. That’s what the average doctor is trained to do. Big Pharma also has control over supposedly scientific-medical journals because they have the money to bankroll data-driven studies which often take years. The idea that money hasn’t compromised science is naïve. Many studies get results that can’t be replicated like so-called scientific method is supposed to require. A lot have to be withdrawn. Getting back to vaccines, the pharmaceuticals giants have legal indemnity from lawsuits over damage done by their products. You cannot sue Pfizer if you’re injured by one of their products, including this one. This hardly inspires confidence in something experimental that employers are forcing on their employees and city governments are forcing on their workers. Small wonder people are quitting their jobs in record numbers!

LGP:  I have to play devil’s advocate a little here. Don’t the vaccines work against covid? Isn’t there some truth to the narrative? Aren’t they proven to work by the fact that hundreds of millions of people worldwide have now gotten these shots without suffering ill-effects other than having a sore arm for a couple of days, maybe a slight fever?  

SY:    There’s a morass of ambiguity here. Yes, in a sense, the jabs work. They do provide some temporary protection from covid. They trigger a strong immune system response. Nobody says otherwise. That’s not the problem. I like the way author and truthseeker Mike Whitney put it in a recent column he penned for the thrice-banned Unz Review. Here’s what he wrote, reasoning by analogy:

Let’s say, you have a really bad head cold so you take a new medication that you think will relieve the pain. And – sure enough – an hour after taking the pills – Presto — your congestion and headache are completely gone. That’s fantastic, right? Wrong, because what you fail to realize is that the medication is laced with slow-acting strychnine that kills you three days later. Do you still think it was a good idea to take the medication?

Well, of course not! What the believers aren’t getting is that it is what these shots do in the long run that counts! Short-term protection means nothing if you could be dead in a few years from effects that will kick in gradually over a long period of time!

LGP:  What effects are we talking about?

SY:    Blood clots already seen in the AstraZeneca jab, causing strokes and heart attacks. That jab was withdrawn in some places, Germany I think. We’ve had cases already of systemic organ failure. Given what these jabs do, which is reprogram your immune system, if you get the jab you could be looking at immune system collapse and AIDS-like symptoms when it can’t fight off other infections because your immune system can only fight off this one spike protein. Even short-term protection against this appears to be limited and drops off after a few months. Otherwise we wouldn’t be talking about “boosters” which are starting to be required and incorporated into the official definition of fully vaccinated.  

There’s compelling evidence, in other words, that the jabs are making you more vulnerable to getting sick from new strains of the virus. We have this from a document posted from someone calling himself Spartacus. While ordinarily I’d be disinclined to listen to someone posting on the Internet anonymously, the detail and terminology Spartacus provides is sufficient to suggest that we ought to pay attention. He explains why people are continuing to get sick in heavily vaccinated countries like Israel, Denmark, and elsewhere. He says that the intelligent thing to do would be to stop these mass vaccination campaigns immediately. The thing is, as he’s figured out, this not about public health, it is about gaining mass obedience in a society based on total surveillance and control.

You’d think more people who have at minimal educations would figure this out, that something is amiss because cases of covid keep erupting in populations of the vaccinated, and that the outcry would be deafening, not limited to relatively small groups easily dismissed as “fringe.” But schools do not teach critical thinking anymore, if they ever really did. The reason: real critical thinking does not mindlessly parrot and then bow before authority, and that’s what this is really about: not health but population control, through nudges and systemic coercion as much as possible.

LGP:  At what point do we “graduate” to Stage 4?

SY:    As I said, Stage 4 might not be necessary if the narrative stays largely controlled in the mainstream and the employment system coerces enough people into getting jabbed. The number I keep running across is 70 percent. Some countries have vaccinated a higher percentage of their masses. 

LGP:  What would Stage 4 look like, if it happens?

SY:    If it happens, and assuming it wouldn’t give away the game and prompt a mass revolt, at Stage 4 vaccination refusal would be criminalized — or, at least, going out in public unvaccinated would be criminalized and you could be jailed if you got caught. There would be nothing to prevent authorities from setting up checkpoints to check your vaccination status, just as they do now to catch drunk drivers. The unvaccinated would literally be imprisoned in their homes, therefore. Under Stage 3 conditions they find it harder to live normal lives; that’s the point. They might eventually have reason to fear for their safety, if there are free-lance enforcers out there who don’t work for the government or corporations. Violence against the unvaxxed is not impossible. Under Stage 4, government-endorsed door-to-door efforts would be the most viable way the unvaxxed could get the shots assuming they wanted them. If they didn’t, the campaign for a fully vaccinated population would turn openly coercive. One executive order could accomplish that. I know of people who are already preparing to use deadly force to fight back if it comes to that. I wouldn’t rule out eventual violence over this. Sadly, though, violence plays right into the hands of the global control freaks. Look at the massive response to what happened on January 6. 

Oh, and by the way, under Stage 4 conditions, conversations like this one, presuming the possibility of questioning the wisdom of mass vaccinating populations, noting the thousands of vaccine injuries and deaths that have already happened, would be criminalized. They’d be thought crimes.

LGP:  Wouldn’t that violate the First Amendment?

SY:    Let’s not be naïve! There are plenty of reasons besides what we’re talking about for thinking the Constitution itself and the rule of law are dead in America.

LGP:  A minute ago, you mentioned “the global control freaks”? Who do you mean?

SY:    “Our” real would-be owners, acting as if the globe’s populations are their private property. Have you heard of Event 201, the tabletop pandemic exercise sponsored by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the World Economic Forum, held at John Hopkins University on October 18, 2019? That little exercise was designed to work out a response to — what else? — a pandemic caused by a novel coronavirus.

Sometime, right around this time (or possibly a few weeks later), the actual cause of covid got loose in Wuhan. The Chinese started spreading it around the world through air travel. Most, of course, had no idea what they were spreading. The word coronavirus wasn’t even in most people’s vocabularies back then.

I’m not sure anyone serious still believes the damned thing “evolved in bats.” The NIH has now admitted bankrolling gain-of-function research in the Wuhan lab. Fauci lied through his teeth, but never mind that now. The only issue worth debating is whether the coronavirus’s release was accidental or deliberate, and whether or not this thing really is a bioweapon as both Ron Unz and Dr. Richard Fleming argue at length.  

There’s also that Spartacus document I mentioned earlier. Again, I have no idea who Spartacus is, but he’s obviously a medical professional on the inside, possibly well placed, someone who might have to fear for his life if his identity got out. He presents a detailed and technical account of what covid actually does inside the human body as well as what the jabs do; he knows the vocabulary and is clear about what has been going on, including the reason cures such as ivermectin were suppressed. He shows that these jabs, whatever their small scale temporary effectiveness, are overall not merely useless but dangerous. He outlined the evidence that points to both the virus and the vaccines being genetically engineered bioweapons. “The vaccines and the virus were made by the same people,” he says.

That’s from the beginning of a crucial passage. Let me just share the whole section:

In 2014, there was a moratorium on SARS gain-of -function research that lasted until 2017.392–394 This research was not halted. Instead, it was outsourced, with the federal grants being laundered through NGOs. Ralph Baric is a virologist and SARS expert at UNC Chapel Hill in North Carolina. This is who Anthony Fauci was referring to when he insisted, before Congress, that if any gain-of-function research was being conducted, it was being conducted in North Carolina.395,396 This was a lie.

Anthony Fauci lied before Congress. A felony.

Ralph Baric and Shi Zhengli are colleagues and have co-written papers together.397 Ralph Baric mentored Shi Zhengli in his gain-of-function manipulation techniques, particularly serial passages, which resulted in a virus that appears as if it originated naturally. In other words, deniable bioweapons.

Serial passage in humanized hACE2 mice may have produced something like SARS-CoV-2.398–401The funding for the gain-of-function research being conducted at the Wuhan Institute of Virology came from Peter Daszak. Peter Daszak runs an NGO called EcoHealth Alliance. EcoHealth Alliance received millions of dollars in grant money from the National Institutes of Health/National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (that is, Anthony Fauci), the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (part of the US Department of Defense), and the United States Agency for International Development. NIH/NIAID contributed a few million dollars, and DTRA and USAID each contributed tens of millions of dollars towards this research. Altogether, it was over a hundred million dollars.402–405

EcoHealth Alliance subcontracted these grants to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a lab in China with a very questionable safety record and poorly trained staff, so that they could conduct gain-of-function research, not in their fancy P4 lab, but in a level-2 lab where technicians wore nothing more sophisticated than perhaps a hairnet, latex gloves, and a surgical mask, instead of the bubble suits used when working with dangerous viruses.406–411

Chinese scientists in Wuhan reported being routinely bitten and urinated on by laboratory animals. Why anyone would outsource this dangerous and delicate work to the People’s Republic of China, a country infamous for industrial accidents and massive explosions that have claimed hundreds of lives, is completely beyond me, unless the aim was to start a pandemic on purpose.

Final emphasis mine. We’ve got to get it through enough people’s think skulls that this was not an accident, that the global control freaks have been planning something like this for years! Evidence? It’s not even hidden in the strict sense, but you do have to know where to look to find it. It’s not going to leap out at you from the pages of the New York Times or any medical or public health journal or in your Yahoo or Google or any other Big Tech newsfeed. Obviously you’re not going to hear about it on the six o’clock news. Was there a word about Event 201 on the news?  

LGP:  I don’t think so.

SY:    Well, this is a whole lot bigger than just Event 201. Let me get back on track. We talked about Stage 4. Just for completeness sake, at Stage 5, assuming Stage 4 was doable and open rebellion could be put down by violent police power assuming there’s any left, jab refuseniks would be removed from their homes or apartments at gunpoint along with their families and put in camps, just like the Nazis did with Jews and other undesirables. I ought to note carefully that I’m not predicting anything here, just sketching scenarios and saying this is not absolutely impossible even if it doesn’t seem very likely to me. What happened in Nazi Germany probably didn’t seem likely to them, though, at the time.

I do think there’s been more pushback the global power elites were anticipating. There’s still a lot of freedom-minded people out here, after all. And a lot of guns, in the U.S. at least. With their ongoing rolling lockdowns, I wonder if Australians rue the day they gave their guns to “their” government. We don’t know the consequences of all the pushback, or how far those with real power might be willing to go to get what they want, what they might have up their sleeves that we haven’t seen yet.

LGP:  What do you believe they want?

SY:    What they’ve wanted for generations. World government, answering to the corporations they own or control, with controlled populations: a global technocratic, techno-feudal system in which every health detail, every educational record, your birth information and past and present addresses, your work history, your tax records, will be recorded in one place, possibly on a microchip embedded under your skin that can be read by a scanner when you enter stores, government buildings, airports, public transportation, wherever. If that sounds unhinged, we’re heading in that direction already, with companies in places like Sweden already experimenting with embedded microchips and the people getting them considering it kinda cool!

Maybe you’ve noticed, quick-response (QR) codes are popping up everywhere. People are storing their vaccine information in a QR code that can be read by a smartphone. That’s their Mobility Pass, as it’s called in Chile. Convenient for a lot of other purposes as well. They’re on storefronts, table tops in restaurants so that we have digital menus now, they’re on television commercials which you can scan for special deals incentivizing you to use them, everywhere. Even the church we used to attend before we moved now only accepts tithes through a QR code, and I’m sure they didn’t just choose to do that, it was plandemic related. QR codes existed before the plandemic, of course, but one of the things the plandemic has done is to accelerate the process, again, nudging as many people as possible into the digital realm where everything they do can be monitored and the information stored.

Maybe you’ve also noticed, there’s a war on cash going on. That, too, preceded the plandemic. The approved narrative is that cash can transmit the virus. Before the plandemic, the narrative was that drug dealers and other criminals did business using cash, the illogical inference being that if you use cash or have it in large amounts, you’re a suspect. That’s how police have literally stolen tens of thousands of dollars from ordinary people using civil forfeiture laws, and you can go into the poorhouse trying to get your money back. For years now, deposits of over $10,000 into bank accounts had to be reported to Homeland Security, and making deposits less than that on a regular basis came to be called “structuring,” a federal crime, depositing your own money into your bank account, which really isn’t yours anymore under these conditions.

The real reason the elites want to get rid of cash is that it can’t be tracked. So we’re being forced to go digital, and we’re not being asked. This is not something “the marketplace is deciding.” Most of the masses are going along, of course. They always do. Most are oblivious. QR codes are convenient. Convenience is always a good way to incentivize people so that they do what you want them to do. The idea, I think, is to incorporate all your records into one of these things, personalized so that it will follow you the rest of your life (your children will get QR codes of their own), including all your records. Then put it on a chip and implant the chip in your body — most likely your forearm. Smartphones are convenient but they can be lost or stolen. Embedded chips can’t.

LGP:  The “mark of the beast” talked about in the Book of Revelation? 

SY:    Some people are saying the injections themselves are the “mark of the beast.” but I think you can make a case that what I’ve just described is a better candidate.

LGP:  Some are talking about a depopulation agenda.

SY:    Yes, because over 7.8 billion people are difficult to technocratically manage, and there’s definitely not going to be enough work for that many people in a world increasingly populated with driverless vehicles, robots, and AIs that don’t demand salaries. Have you ever been to the Georgia Guidestones?

LGP:  No.

SY:    I have. They say what the “conspiracy theorists” say they say: reduce the world’s population to 500 million to “maintain … perpetual balance with nature.” Plenty of elites including Bill Gates have said openly that “we” need fewer people!

LGP:  So you think these Covid vaccines are part of a depopulation agenda?

SY:    Some of Gates’s remarks certainly lend themselves to that interpretation, that the program for depopulation didn’t begin with these shots but was probably dragging. I think it’s too soon to tell for absolute certainty, but evidence is pointing in that direction. According to Mike Whitney again, once you make the assumption that these globalist psychopaths want most of us dead, a lot of things fall into place! Whitney also shows in great detail how scientists have known for almost two decades that this sort of vaccine wouldn’t be effective in the long run, because it is designed to attack one kind of virus, while reprogramming your immune system so that it won’t protect you against other threats. That article merits a close reading. Too bad it’s on a site that Big Tech sites like Facebook banned as “hate speech” (definitely one of the most overused phrases of our “woke” times) a long time ago. Again, we’ve got to get it through our thick skulls that this plandemic (I keep calling it) was not an accident. I’ve encountered a few nightmarish scenarios of vaccine apocalypse, caused as people begin dying in massive numbers caused by the trillions of spike proteins the jab unleashes into their systems. If that happens, of course, Western civilization will probably collapse. Steve Kirsch, executive director of the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund, says the number of deaths is already 150,000, with more than 2 million injuries! The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) had reported 15,386 deaths as of September 17, and that’s likely an undercount if only because a lot of people don’t know that VAERS even exists.

LGP:  I’d think those figures would be impossible to hide. I’m having trouble processing that idea. Is it even possible? Again, hundreds of millions of people have gotten these vaccines. That makes the rates of injuries and deaths still statistically very small. Can you respond to this?

SY:    I already did, but I will again. It’s important to realize that we’re looking at this from our present snapshot on the calendar. One might check with funeral homes and see if they are registering an abnormally large numbers of deaths. I don’t know if anyone is doing that or not. These inoculations haven’t been around for a full year. I can’t emphasize enough: we don’t know the long-term effects because you can’t do long term studies on something that hasn’t been around any longer than this thing has. How many of those hundreds of millions will be dead by 2030, or 2025, or sooner? We don’t know! One thing we do know is that billionaires are buying land in out-of-the-way places like south New Zealand, using their money and power to buy citizenships there. Some are building underground bunkers and storing clean water, food, and other supplies to last anywhere from six months to several years. They say it’s fear of civil unrest, or nuclear war, is that all? Don’t you think it possible, even likely, that they know things we peasants don’t?

What worries me is that the global control freaks have a back-up plan for dealing with anti-vaccine pushback if it gets out of control and it starts to look like they might lose this fight. Especially with so many people “red pilled” now, who know who they are and are awake at least somewhat to what’s really going on.

LGP: What would they do? Send in Homeland Security troops? UN troops?

SY:    Nothing as simple as that! If their gain-of-function research made this thing, infectious but not all that deadly outside certain populations of useless eaters, they could surely make something a lot more lethal. I wouldn’t put it past them to release a Captain Trips type bug if they thought they were losing control, and if they had a way to inoculate themselves they knew was effective.  

LGP: Captain Trips?

SY:    Have you read The Stand, by Stephen King?

LGP: No.

SY:    A genetically engineered superflu wipes out over 99 percent of the world’s populations.

LGP: Sounds like something he’d write. But that’s science fiction, not reality.

SY:    So far, it’s science fiction. We’re talking about psychopaths here, in any reasonable sense of that term. There’s no telling what they might do if they feel backed into a corner. There are, after all, a hell of a lot more of us than there are of them! Triggering nuclear war between the U.S. and China over Taiwan is another possibility. In any of these scenarios, we probably lose the Internet. By that I mean, the entire thing is suddenly inaccessible to us, as Facebook was for a few hours a couple of weeks ago but worse. We’ll only be allowed back online after jumping through a lot of Big Tech hoops, and one of them will doubtless be having gotten jabbed. One of the reasons I think people get the PDF of that Spartacus document and print a hard copy, don’t just save it to your desktop or something. In case it disappears, since if by some chance the Internet gets taken down, you can guarantee, things like that will be purged, just like everything else the global control freaks don’t want there.

By that time, you’d have to really be an idiot will still think this is about public health. We’ve seen what the power-hungry will do to maintain narrative control. We’ve seen waves of gaslighting. We’ve all been “fact-checked” more times than we can count. The “fact-checkers” literally do not live in the same world we do. In their world, just the idea of world government is an “unhinged conspiracy theory” — even though explicit defenses of world government are readily available online, and in connection with the plandemic! (See also this.)

Upshot of Stages 1 through 3 that we’ve seen so far: the pushback has not kept us from falling into a more closely monitored and controlled world. A global-scale narrative cold war is playing out in front of us.

Meanwhile, we are only beginning to see the psychological damage that has been done, especially to the generation that will come of age in the 2020s, assuming it survives.

LGP: You live outside the U.S., correct?

SY:    I live in Chile. There have been protests here, but not about this. Chile has its Mobility Pass, but is open compared to, say, Melbourne in Australia which was locked down for months. Chile has jabbed over three quarters of its population, and it is now difficult to eat out or use public transportation between cities if you haven’t been jabbed.

LGP: Are there places you could go that are even more open?

SY:   Panama, I’ve been told. I have friends there who tell me they go where they please, and no one wears masks except indoors, in stores. It’s important to remember, though, that this is global. That means, ultimately there’s no place to go, unless you want to move to Antarctica! It’s clear: borders can be closed anywhere on short notice based on reports of fresh outbreaks. We were planning on moving there. Closed borders monkey-wrenched our plans indefinitely, and possibly for good, given the more recent supply-line disruptions that make it twice as expensive now to move a container there, so I wouldn’t have to leave a research library I’ve been building for 40 years behind. Personal circumstances aside, the long and short of it is, there’s nowhere to run! You might as well stand and fight where you are. I know folks — I might be among them soon — who are hunkering down trying to wait this out and see what happens. We could easily end up farming for the rest of our lives. In places like Chile and Argentina you can disappear, at least up to a point. The government will leave you alone either because it is too dysfunctional to track you down, or the costs of doing so outweigh the benefits. If the global control freaks get their Great Reset and there are a handful of folks still not vaxxed out in the boonies where they can’t affect anything or anyone, they may just figure, Who cares?

LGP: Is hunkering down really a solution, though?

SY:    Not really, because if we’ve learned anything from history, it’s that power does what it pleases if no one is able and willing to stand up to it. Hitler and his goons did what they did because no one was both able and willing to stop them. Same with Stalin and his henchmen; the same with Mao and his, the same with power-crazed tyrants and their loyal followers everywhere. Today’s situation is actually far more dangerous, because the technology available to be weaponized and used to control people is so much more pervasive.

Do you own a smartphone? Everything you do on it, everything app you download, everywhere you go online, is recorded digitally and archived somewhere. Your smartphone tracks everywhere you go physically. It’s been able to do that for over a decade now, so that’s not new. If you don’t believe me, just call up the Google Maps app. It will pinpoint your exact location. Technology is being used to track our every move now.

If no one is willing to confront the global control freaks, they’ll get their world government answering to their global corporations. The Great Reset, they’re calling it now. They’ll get depopulation, which probably won’t happen all at once but gradually. People will die from various afflictions ranging from heart failure to cancers to AIDS-like symptoms when their immune systems collapse. If the current disinformation campaigns and demonizing of vaccine skeptics holds, few will connect the dots. It will remain an “unhinged conspiracy theory” to mention covid inoculations as the cause, and therefore verboten. We’ll just see the population fall a billion at a time, over a period probably lasting maybe two or three decades. It could be shorter, or it could be longer. There will be enough other things to distract the masses, and most will make our present problems with inflation and supply line disruptions look like nothing by comparison. We’re looking at natural resource depletion and food shortages likely caused by billionaires like Gates buying up huge tracts of farmland. Governments, too, are paying farmers not to farm, which makes zero sense unless you look at things in terms of engineered collapse followed by world government to “build back better.”

LGP: You left out climate change. Was that on purpose?

SY:    I’ve yet to fully make up my mind about that narrative, but something is going on. Yearly weather patterns overall are definitely more hostile than when we were kids. Hostile weather and wars (also fomented by the control freaks) are already causing mass migrations that will lead to still more political and cultural chaos, possibly distracting from people dropping dead from heart problems, cancers, organ failure, etc. I imagine many will be begging for someone to come in and restore order. I think we’re in for a rough decade or two, and its survivors may well end up under cradle-to-grave surveillance-and-control: probably a mixture of Brave New World and 1984, with some Blade Runner and Mad Max thrown in for good measure. Or perhaps Dostoevsky, when one of his characters in The Grand Inquisitor cries out, “Make us your slaves, but feed us!” To get your food, you’ll have to show your QR-encoded vax status which will probably contain your ID and all your other personal information. I’m told that countries like Lithuania have also established a heavy-handed “Opportunity Pass,” a draconian Stage 3 policy with no real health benefits but excludes the unvaxxed from nearly everything in the above-ground economy. If it controls populations there and the sheeple put up with it, you’ll see that sort of thing spread from country to country across Europe. And then on our side of the Atlantic.

LGP:  Sounds as dystopian as dystopia can be.  

SY:    Why do you think dystopias are so popular these days?

LGP:  Let’s wrap up. I’m wondering, you’re a trained philosopher and this is a philosophy blog. Why are you fighting this fight? And does a topic like this belong here?

SY:    I’m an outsider. Largely by choice, because academia is as rotten with corruption as most other “professions” these days. I don’t think it matters a whole lot to the “philosophy profession” what I say and do, so I might as well tell the truth as I see it for whoever finds their way in here. As for your second question, again, why not? Philosophy should have something to do with the real world, outside classrooms and academic cubicles. It ought to say something about power, and how it really works; and authority and when we should question it. Past philosophers wrestled with how we ought to organize socially and politically. Unfortunately, a lot of philosophical theories have played into the hands of the power-hungry, technocrat mindset. This goes all the way back to Plato, with the philosopher-kings and guardians of his Republic. Philosophers have divided ever since into Platonists who thought a strong, authoritarian, centralized system was necessary, and thought themselves qualified to design it, versus anti-Platonists who favored freedoms — usually (not always!) within the bounds of some kind of established set of traditions embedded in cultures and in the warp and woof of people’s lives. If we’ve learned anything over the past quarter century, or should have, it’s that if you attack all the historic “heroes” of a culture, all its practices, traditions, and institutions at once, you cause increasing confusion, disorientation, and eventual chaos. We nearly have chaos in the West now, and that preceded the plandemic. Out of chaos comes “order,” as the saying goes: that is to say, totalitarianism, whatever label you pin on it.  

One of my realizations, close to three decades ago now, was how few of us really grasp the central problem not just of political-socioeconomic philosophy but social organization at any level: how do we place checks on that minority of sociopaths in our midst who are fascinated with power, whose whole mindset and value system revolves around power? We’ve not done this very well, although the best attempt at instituting “checks and balances” is still our Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Could we do better than those, by noting the loopholes those who wanted power climbed through and closing them next-go-around? If anybody’s left to do it, that is.  

LGP: What is the biggest loophole, do you think?

SY:    Money. There’s very little about money in the Constitution aside from a provision that began to be ignored well over a century ago, assigning Congress the responsibility of “coining money and regulating the value thereof.” The Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury Department do that now. Even before that, we built a money system predicated on capitalistic assumptions that money sets you free, that it ought to be used freely as a medium of exchange between the voluntary trade of goods and services, that this is the key to liberty and property and production. Which is if you have it. But after over two hundred years, it should be clear that a money political economy is a two-edged sword. Money, absent any kind of worldview with a built-in protective ethics of the value of persons however derived, frees its elites to do as they please at the expense of everyone else. It then becomes an instrument of enslavement no less fierce than any form of governmental repression. Those who climb up its ladders to the freedoms they’ve bought can kick those ladders out from under the rest of us, except for a chosen few who share their psychopath mindset. Some argue that the neoliberalism that got off the ground in the 1980s with Reagan and Thatcher did just this, creating the sort of environment in which billionaire global elites can thrive, and we’re looking the consequences in the face, especially given how much money it took to engineer this disaster.

I don’t know if we’ll be able to fix this. I’m not optimistic. But it seems to me, this is something philosophers should be thinking about, how we got here, who the major players are, the mistakes we made along the way, including the silly idea that the masses really want or care about the freedoms Libertarian intellectuals go on and on about. Not that they want to be enslaved, either, though. All this means getting a handle on disconcerting truths about human nature and society that idealistic intellectuals never face. The evidence from history that ‘there is something wrong with us’ whether you call it sin or something else, is literally overwhelming. Even those who think we evolved from lower forms of life have to concede, if they’re being honest and consistent, that we’re “programmed” biologically to seek advantage, not “equality” or some other fuzzy intellectual value, and that a few are much better at gaining advantages than others, just as some of us are better writers than others, some of us are better artists than others, some of us are better athletes than others — just doing what comes natural to us. In the absence of any widespread, education-inculcated belief in a transcendent source for moral values, though, eventually the worst get on top. History shows this decisively. You end up with psychopathic elites who do as they please, answerable only to each other. That’s the bottom-line dilemma of our time.

LGP: So you’re saying we should overthrow secular modernity and get back to God?

SY:    We surely won’t be worse off!  

LGP: Extremely interesting. There are a lot of threads here, and I wish we could pursue them all, but unfortunately we’re out of time. Thank you for coming in here today.

SY:    You are very welcome.

About Steven Yates

I have a Ph.D. in Philosophy from the University of Georgia and teach Critical Thinking (mostly in English) at Universidad Nacionale Andrés Bello in Santiago, Chile. I moved here in 2012 from South Carolina. My most recent book is entitled Four Cardinal Errors: Reasons for the Decline of the American Republic (2011). I am the author of an earlier book, around two dozen articles & reviews, & still more articles on commentary sites on the Web. I live in Santiago with my wife Gisela & two spoiled cats, Bo & Princesa.
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